former white house deputy press secretary bill burton and co-fonder of priorities usa, a pro-obama super pac, joins me along with tim carney. bill, the vice president came out yesterday and said, we're going to use executive order if we need to. that really riled a lot of people up. executive order, you guys aren't going to get it done, we're going to do it. we just heard john avalon say, look, those ideas are popular, a lot of republicans agree with them, you can't do it by executive order. >> i think he's just talking about the possibility that there are some things that maybe you can do through executive order and it's part of the, you know, big menu of options that are out there. but the truth is, if there's going to be real reform, if there's going to be real restrictions, you have to do it through congress. otherwise, you know, what you do could end up getting gummed up in the courts, and it could have no effect at all. >> that's got to be frustrating, though, that every time they try, there's always loopholes put in. i guess loopholes aren't everything from the tax code on, but you pass these gun laws after horrific attacks, and yet, 40% of guns are still -- it's amazing.